Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:04 Alright. I am here with one of my favorite people in the whole entire world. Let me a Gillen, um, who is an amazing yoga instructor, uh, a amazing and amazing, uh, family, uh, counselor, a therapist. Who's helped so many people all over the world and, um, her and her husband, Jim, own yoga calm, which is a fantastic course and program for, um, well, you can tell me more about that. Um, I, I mainly know you from, you know, uh, wonderful help through our family. And then through Tre, you taught me Tre trauma release, a trauma release exercises, and I wanted to, um, you know, learn more or how do you tell more about Tre and how it's, how it helps releases toxins as well as trauma. Um, and, and how, cause you know, what I do as an environmental wellness person is help people to talk by their homes. And, um, and I was so intrigued by when you mentioned that Tre helps detoxify the body from not only trauma, but from, from toxins as well. So with that Linea welcome.
Speaker 1 00:01:27 Thank you, Michelle. Thank you for the lovely intro. Um, yeah. So let me start by telling you a little bit about teary. So teary stands for trauma releasing exercises or tension releasing exercises, and it it's, uh, it was developed by a man named Dr. David . He's an amazing person. He worked with mother Teresa in New York city. That was where he started working, but he was also a massage therapist and he, um, worked in, um, war torn areas and he started to notice while he was in bombing shelters with some of the families that he was working with. And he started to notice that during and after the bombings, the little children actually tremor in their bodies. He had two babies, little ones, not babies, but little ones on his lap. And he noticed that all through the tr the bombings and afterward they were tremoring and it wasn't cold.
Speaker 1 00:02:19 He knew that because it was in the middle east, so it was hot. And he started getting curious about this tremoring mechanism and he asked the adults, um, do you ever tremor? And they said, no, that they don't want the children to be afraid. So what he understood about that is that if they, they would have given, if they had given into their body's response, they would have tremor, but they were repressing it to PR to portray a, um, position of strength to the children, much like we do with crying, right. Us crying, because we're worried that it'll frighten the children. And then we hold all of this stuff in and over time, it builds up in our bodies and creates all kinds of problems. It's not just the pain, the emotional pain, but it's also the muscle tension in the body, right? So that's the, um, I that's where it started.
Speaker 1 00:03:10 And what is it? It is a set set of six very simple exercises that are designed to fatigue, the stress muscles in the body. So the stress muscles is the, um, are the muscles that are, are involved when we pull into the fetal position to protect ourselves. So if you think of that, the, so as, as a major muscle group, but also the quads, the calves, the jaw, the shoulders, you know, the diaphragm, all of those are in part of that stress muscles that are engaged. So what he does is he stresses, or he fatigues and stretches those sets of muscles. And then it starts a tremor which becomes involuntary and it begins to release the trauma out of the body.
Speaker 0 00:03:53 Wow. How does it do that?
Speaker 1 00:03:56 Well, what it does, it's a natural mechanism. So it's the tremor. It starts to have a rhythm of its own. And it's what it's doing is it's communicating through the myofascia. So the myofascia is one of the, it's probably the biggest sensory organ. I believe it is to the brain. It sends more messages to the brain than any other system in our body. Like eyes, nose. We don't even talk about it as a sense. But if you think about how often the body is sending messages to the brain, right, it's constant telling us we're tired, or we need to stretch, or we need to eat, or we need to water. All the messages that are coming from our body are coming from the myofascia.
Speaker 0 00:04:38 Interesting.
Speaker 1 00:04:39 Yeah. So when we are stressed and you probably know this, we tend to hold our bodies and grip, like will hunch in and hold our shoulders tight. And you can even see that look on people's faces. Like I'm holding every, I'm holding my breath. I'm making sure nothing happens
Speaker 0 00:04:57 Your shoulders right now with you just saying that, because I was like, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:05:03 And we grip our pelvis, you know, and we grew up our legs and we tightened our job. And over time, what happens is that those muscles start to be held in a grip position chronically. Right?
Speaker 0 00:05:20 Yeah. So what does that look like? Like physically for people? Cause that's what I'm most interested about is to talking about throughout with our audiences, that when you grip and you hold on, what's that doing physically? You mentioned that it was, um, it was creating kind of like a capsule of, of whatever has been in there before it's, it's like, you know, any toxins, any trauma, um, but physically, well that's trauma is not physical, but it's physical. It is, it is physical. But how does it, I'm just curious on how that, can you say it in the, yeah, I noticed that when I was doing some stretching with you and I might tell our audience that we do you and I do, um, sessions together and we do stretching and rolling and yoga and tremoring. Um, and I noticed when I was doing that with you, um, on the yoga mat, um, the next day I felt like I was kind of, I was detoxing, you know, and I felt like, you know, I know how to, how to, how to, you know, take what's types of supplements, taken up some salt bath, you know, definitely drink lots of water.
Speaker 0 00:06:36 Um, but it felt like I was physically detoxing.
Speaker 1 00:06:42 Yeah. And it's much like massage, right. You know, when you've got a knot and that massage therapist says, whoa, you've got to not hear well that's tension, right. That has become chronic and has created this block place in the myofascia gets sore and painful. And it gets sore because the fascist starts to harden. Right. That's what happens. And when the fascia starts to harden, then fluid doesn't flow, blood flow is reduced and the fluid in the body doesn't move through that part of the body. And so that's why when you get a massage and massage therapist says, drink a lot of water, we just flushed out some toxins because we opened up those places that have that gripping pattern where that myo fascia has hardened.
Speaker 0 00:07:28 Oh, go ahead. Oh, go
Speaker 1 00:07:29 Ahead. Do you want to ask?
Speaker 0 00:07:30 Yeah. I just say, this is, this is great because it's, it's like, if you can't get out, especially during COVID times, if you can't go out and get a massage, you can do Tre stretching, rollies the roller and do it yourself. And not only does it detoxify you, um, physically, you know, when you're doing this, you know, you could definitely have a moment of, you know, something comes up for you when you, when you're doing these releases that releases it. I feel more permanently than, rather than just a massage. So when you do a massage, you're like, oh, thank you so much. That hurt. That felt good at the same time, but then you felt a little kind of fluid the next day. But, um, for me, in my experience, it doesn't stay right. That's good for the business, but not great for your wallet or for having to rely upon that, to keep going back.
Speaker 1 00:08:27 Yeah. And you're also dependent on the person finding the block and having the tools to move that block out and you not resisting because a lot of times we resist because it's painful. Those things don't exist in Tiara. You don't have to rely on somebody else to find it. You don't have to have rely on yourself. Well,
Speaker 0 00:08:49 Your self a bit. Yeah. I would say though, you know, doing Tre at home here versus doing Tre with you and your studio, um, you know, you're a professionally trained therapist, certified therapist, and, you know, having that combination, it doesn't really matter what trauma you've had. I mean, I remember Dr. David, saying that Penn was, um, doing some trauma release exercises and he was doing this motion where he's waving his hands. And he, when he was doing the shaking and doing the Tre, it brought up to him and he realized he had trauma because he was being chased by bees. Do you remember that? And so some people are like, well, that, that wouldn't stay with you. But somehow that stayed with him in his body somehow. And he was able to release that and not have that, that memory stamp in his body anymore to, you know, somehow interfere with his, his everyday way of living. And I thought that was fascinating.
Speaker 1 00:10:03 Part of the idea about that is that our bodies sometimes get into this position where they want to do something like they want to fight back or they want to run. And they can't because of the position they're in. So that, that reaction to the trauma gets frozen. So for instance, like when people come that have had a lot of surgeries, I've seen a lot of people start to run, like their legs start to run. And it's like, oh, that's exactly what I wanted to do when I was in surgery. But I wasn't able to, because I had to shut that down in order to give, but the body is able to complete a pro a process that it had to restrain at the time. And so the theory can sort of release motion that gets frozen in the body, um, and never got to complete that action. And that's part of the healing process of it. But what you want, you asked about how does it release the and toxins. So I wanted to get back to that.
Speaker 0 00:10:56 That'd be great.
Speaker 1 00:10:57 So, um, what, what the teary is, what the tremor is doing. It's a natural mechanism that we're all born with it, and it's seen all over the world is shaking. Shaking. Medicine is not new. It's just that the way he's designed it is more new and he's putting some science behind it. But what it's doing is it's, it's using, it's communicating through the highway of myo fascia. So it's looking, it's like finding its way through the myo fascia. And if it finds a place that's blocked, the tremoring will come up to that place and shake it and begin to gently shake it open. Right. And once it shaken up and which is different it's, which is different than having him soft open, that's why the resistance isn't there as much, because when somebody presses into that painful place, a part of a script set up to prevent that pain.
Speaker 1 00:11:48 But this is gentler in that it just starts to gently open that place up. And sometimes it happens over time. And then once it opens up the, the fluid that was held in that, because toxins are held in those block places because fluid isn't moving, right. So then it flushes that part of the body out. And that's how toxins get released into the out of the body. And we want to drink lots of water and move in order to help the toxins clear out, but I've had several people tell me, wow. I feel like I've just detoxed. What's that
Speaker 0 00:12:24 Right? No, I, I, that's why I wanted to have the, have you gone here to, to speak to that precisely because, um, there's so many ways, so many fads, so many trends, somebody that it's ways to detox, but, you know, Hey, what are we detoxing from? And, and, and how do we detox from it more of a permanent level, rather than just a, you know, daily level, um, where you kind of have to keep repeating it now, Tre is a great practice to know and have of course. Um, but it's, it's, it's, I think something that's just so easy to do. Um, and you all listening are probably going, like, what the heck does it look like? And, you know, you are going to be having a intro to tra class on January 8th. And we can talk more about that towards the end of this podcast.
Speaker 0 00:13:16 Um, but you'll be able to see it's virtual, correct? Yes, it is. So people can be able to join in and see what that looks like. And then there's, there's websites. We can point people to, to do it, but, um, you know, through my experience, working with you and, um, you know, I can tell some stories too, that, um, you know, for instance, one of them is my husband last year. I think it was last year. Yeah. Last year, the year before, um, you had a workshop right before COVID hit. Yeah, I think it was 20, 20, right. Um, January. And, uh, he had been in a ski accident and really injured his back quite severely. And I actually had neck surgery, um, and he suffered from back pain for about 10 years. Um, and he willingly, I dunno, willingly or kindly came with me to, um, to do this interesting thing.
Speaker 0 00:14:15 You'd never do knew nothing about. And, um, he was doing the tremoring and for a brief time in a, in a, in a morning class and for probably about, I mean, I would say up until like last week when we were building a project in the backyard, he hadn't had any back pain at all. And that's amazing because so many things, especially with pain, you know, people put, they stay take opioids, right. They take, you know, um, inside inflammatories that can, you know, do something to the body, um, where they become either addicted or, um, it becomes, you know, almost worse than, than the actual situation take it for. Um, so it's so nice to have something that's natural that you can do. That's not harmful that that does, it can cure everything obviously. But, you know, I broke my arm in, uh, last January and, or this, this last January, and I remember doing a shaking, uh, doing CRE with you and my arm started shaking.
Speaker 0 00:15:34 I mean, it's just that gripping it. It's interesting. Like you'll, you'll have, um, when you just really relax and trust in the process, it's just fascinating how the body responds and how you're able to, to sort of let go and, um, kind of be free from, from, from pain, from, um, from pain, that's surrounding a traumatic situation. Like I went and had surgery during COVID and that was pretty traumatic in itself. Let alone the pain was caused from the fall. But, um, by the way, I don't go over train tracks on your bike, in the rain, at an angle, go over them straight away. Um, so, um, I, I feel like, is there anything else that you wanted to share, like, like who, like let's maybe talk about who will could benefit from this? So, you know, somebody who has, like, for instance, um, I'm wondering like mold exposure or chemical exposure or, um, you know, those are a lot of my clients who I work with. Um, do you think that would be beneficial for them to be able to release some of those toxins of course, on other other protocols and, you know, softening is really great too, but do you think that would be beneficial for people who have had,
Speaker 1 00:17:06 I think any, anybody that's struggling with any illness because the illness impacts our psyches as well, and it impacts the way we hold ourselves, we get frightened and we get more protective when we're feeling sick. And that can turn on all those mechanisms that are protective, which is the fight or flight response and the fight or flight responses in the body.
Speaker 0 00:17:29 It's not just gripping parts for
Speaker 1 00:17:31 Gripping. Yeah. And also, um, there may be underlying conditions that are exasperated by the mold, for instance, like if they already had like say a shoulder injury and then they get mold exposure, then they're going to probably tighten that same shoulder or this, whatever their, their body's defense mechanism is, is going to get increased. It's happening in COVID people's defense mechanisms are getting increased because the world is a more frightened. So we all have patterns, you know, some people tighten their jaws and people around their shoulders. So, um, the fear of being exposed to mold and being sick can increase those patterns. Right? So releasing, allowing the body to move will help whatever systems you're using to clear the toxins out, because if they're taking medicine, uh, gripping their body, the medicine isn't going to go to the
Speaker 0 00:18:28 Place where it needs to go. Exactly.
Speaker 1 00:18:30 Correct. So it's like, I think of it like a river, like river tributaries, right? If you want the river to be clear, you have to make sure the water is flowing, right. There's a place that isn't flowing. It doesn't matter if you tell you clear that out the water won't go there and that's similar to the body. We're trying to open up the pathways so we can live more openly and freely and clear those toxins out and help the medicine that whatever medicine or protocol they're using for the mold work better.
Speaker 0 00:19:01 Absolutely. And then I'm going to touch on a couple of things. First you mentioned, you know, um, or touched upon the point where people get upset about their illness and it's, it's become more, more mental. Well, there's also, I have a lot of clients that I work with who think there's something wrong with their environment, but they don't know exactly until we test and inspect. And so that I can, I tell a lot of my clients, the not knowing and the searching on the internet and the parts of the cating about possible possibilities is, is very much, almost worse than the possible situation at hand, without testing.
Speaker 1 00:19:53 And it doesn't take much imagination to think about what your body's doing while you're doing that searching. It's not in a relaxed, calm state.
Speaker 0 00:20:01 No. And so that's the point is, you know, I help people by giving them data, giving them proof, walking them through it in a, in a very strategic manner to empower them, to get more in control of their environment. So they have those tools. So that's more of a relaxed state, but they can also do Tre to help calm their fears, you know, in between the not in between the time when they get their test results and whatnot, timely data, because there's a lot of heightened states. I work with a lot of people who are electrically sensitive, who are chemically sensitive, have mold allergies. And so they have a really hard time like being in an environment because they don't know how to take care of it, to make it better for themselves. And they go out in the world and there's, they're so chemically sensitive that they're bothered by even going into the grocery store or to the mall or at someone's house that used a furnace, you know, a different cleaner or a detergent or something. And so, you know, having them have this tool to shake that off would be phenomenal.
Speaker 1 00:21:10 Yeah. And it's absolutely free. That's the good way. And that was one of the values of David. He wants it to be free to people. He wants people to be able to heal, activate use tools that are free for them, that they can, he wants to empower them, which I really appreciated about him. Um, and so you can do it at home on your own. Right.
Speaker 0 00:21:29 So what does that look like? Let's set that up. So, um, this is all audio, but like what would that look like? Setting up someone in someone's home, how they would, how they would set that, set that up, what would they need in order to, um, to have a practice, to, to do this at home?
Speaker 1 00:21:47 The only, just a quiet room in a blanket or a yoga mat on the floor and perhaps a pillow and a soft place to land. Um, many people have looked up the, the, the exercises are on the website. You can go to Tre for all, and the exercises are on the website and you can practice them on your own. There is a little bit of caveat here though. Um, if, if people have severe trauma or have they, if they've been recently traumatized and they're acute right now, for instance, they were in a terrible car accident last week and they've got, they feel really agitated. It'd be better to do it with a professional, or if they have lots of childhood trauma, because one of the things that can occur is that the teary can pull up memory. So if you feel like there's a memory in there that you might need support, um, then it's better to do it with somebody, a friend that you know, or a therapist, somebody who can help you through that in general. But in general, people have good results on their own if you don't have good results, but don't, don't, you don't want to practice it for a long time at first three to five minutes and see how it feels. And then if it feels good, you can increase it, but you want to, you want to titrate it. You want to make sure that you're not overdoing it first few times and make sure it works for you. It's not for everybody just like anything. Right? You don't want people to get emotionally or physically injured. Um,
Speaker 0 00:23:09 Yeah, no, absolutely. Because it's one of those things. Do you want it, it's a new, it's unfamiliar. You want to see how your body reacts and then you want to see how it benefits you. Um, it sure has benefited me over the years. Absolutely. And, and, um, has helped, uh, help me a lot. Um, and, and, you know, we all have different types of trauma and trauma's a word that is very broad, but, um, you know, it can be from, I know Dr. David has worked with a lot of people who are war veterans, um, who helped them a lot with PTSD. Um, it's, you know, it's great for somebody who, you know, who lost a baby who has some stuff on that about miscarriage, or, you know, uh, a grief or a loss, or, um, you know, work stress or physical injury, like you mentioned, right.
Speaker 0 00:24:01 A physical injury. So it could be a whole host of different, um, situations where it could be very beneficial and all this that on, on the notes as well. So it's, it's something that I really like to offer. Um, my community solutions, you know, that are very supportive and, you know, you don't need to always take a supplement, you know what I mean? Or, or yeah. Or spend a bunch of money always to, to figure something out. So I think that this is a really great, great thing. And I would say that, you know, coupled doing, you know, you and I have created a really nice, um, routine where we do, we start with the sun salutation yoga, and then we do some stretching and we do use the roller. And then we do a little bit of Tre towards the end. And I feel like just that system and that's one hour, once a week, and that has just changed my life.
Speaker 0 00:25:02 I've I am so much more flexible. I feel freer. Um, I definitely detoxified, um, so much I feel, um, and sometimes, I mean, you want to make sure that when you're detoxing that you are doing it at a pace and a level that feels good, that is, um, it's not too, it's anything like therapy, like you don't want to have be flooded with all these, these, these notions of, of, um, I don't know, advice and suggestions when you're not ready for it. So this is something that you can do at your pace, but to become it, you become really aware of your body, which is great. Yeah. So yeah, no, I really appreciate everything that you've done for me. And, and I really am looking forward to sharing this with my people, um, and, and having, I would love to be able to have you be a resource for them. And I'll, I'll, um, I'll, I'll definitely put a link to the intro class in January. Um, but you do also for the teary
Speaker 1 00:26:10 Website where they can get the exercises
Speaker 0 00:26:13 If they want. Yeah. What is that? Is that Tre for all? Yeah. Is it the for, or a number for FMR? Okay. Tre for all.com. Okay, perfect. I'll put that on there as well. And then you do offer some classes on zoom. Is that correct?
Speaker 1 00:26:31 I do. And there are several providers in Portland too, and I can, if I'm not available, I can re refer them to other providers.
Speaker 0 00:26:38 Great. I know I work with people all over the, all over the world now, so it'd be really nice. Be able to have a resources like you to be able to help other people. So I really appreciate you leaning up. Thank you, Michelle. It was great to talk to you. I appreciate you too. I'm glad you're doing this. Thank you so much. Yeah. When you, when you said something, how it's, how Tre I knew the benefits of it, but when you said it can help detoxify your body as well. I never even thought about that. And I love to have that be an added bonus, another avenue, a way to encourage people to try it, because people are very big on releasing things. Um, toxins wise, um, you know, but this is, this is something that you said is it's free. It's easy to do. And, um, a lot of people can benefit from it. Yeah. Cool. Well, thank you so much. I really come at you and you have a wonderful rest of your day and I will be in touch with you, obviously. I can't. Thank you. Bye.
